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Part 130/130a: Eccentrics

 
130Eccentric, Triple Throw1921-222N°10'Triple Throw Eccentric' until 1929
130aEccentric, Single Throw1928-012N°10Part 170 until 1945
Parts 130 and 130a in post-war medium red
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The parts

The eccentric is one of the few parts we can date accurately using the Meccano Magazine.  It was suggested twice in quick succession, first dismissed in January 1921 ("There are several ways of making an eccentric with existing parts"), and again in the March 1921 issue, when it received the slightly warmer comment "This part would be very limited in its application but... we shall take the eccentric into consideration".  Lo and behold, by the July issue of the same year the part was announced!

There must have been something of a turnaround, because by April 1924, "Spanner" claimed that "No. 130... is one of the most useful of all Meccano parts"!

Many Meccanomen are intrigued by the workings of this mysterious part, which is certainly odd at first glance.  The mechanism becomes clear when we dismantle one by removing the bosses, as below.  An inner (unpainted) section is tightly clamped between the two outer faces by the three fixed bosses.  The only moving part consists of a short strip attached to a circle, trapped between the outer faces; this part is slightly thinner than the fixed inner section, allowing it to rotate freely.

Components of the triple eccentric laid out, with the bosses removed
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Close-up showing thicker internal fixed section compared with outer moving part
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The red parts in this photograph are similar in thickness to a standard strip (around 0.83mm or 0.033''), but the central disc is 1.22mm or 0.048''.  It also appears to be made of a much harder and surprisingly shiny steel, quite unlike other Meccano parts, at least in this 1950s example.  Note that the holes in the two outer faces are not perfectly circular – they have two fractionally wider sections each to help prevent the bosses from rotating.

The Triple Throw Eccentric was joined by the "Eccentric, ½'' throw" in 1928 (part 170), and soon after that it was renamed to "Eccentric, Triple Throw". In 1945, the new part 170 was renumbered to 130a, to be next to its bigger brother.

Chronological variations

Eccentrics were initially only available nickel plated, of course, but they continued in this finish until 1929.  Many small parts, including sprocket wheels and eccentrics, didn't join the ranks of coloured Meccano until 1930.  They made up for it by becoming one of the few Meccano parts to appear in a combination of red and green! Other parts sharing this honour (for example, 3" pulleys and spoked wheels) didn't last long, but dark red / green eccentrics are not uncommon.  Triple eccentrics in particular appeared in pairs from outfit 4 (later G) upwards, although only one single eccentric was supplied in the outfits 7 and L from 1930.  In nickel and dark red / green, then, the triple eccentric is a pretty common part and the single eccentric a rare one.

In 1937, with the advent of outfit 10, a pair of each were supplied.  In medium red and later colours, therefore, they are fairly common parts, and their limited use means that there are generally more of them than are needed!

Stampings on painted (left) and nickel (right) triple eccentrics
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The stamping changes between the nickel plated and the coloured versions of the Triple Eccentric.  The word Throw on nickel eccentrics changes to Stroke with the advent of the dark red / green variety.  From pictures received to date, and messages on this page, we have I think established that the changeover happened soon after the change to red/green eccentrics in early 1930. A very small number of red/green eccentrics are found stamped Throw, but the vast majority are stamped Stroke. It is possible to find nickel-plated eccentrics with the later Stroke stamping, but these are most likely special-order parts. Remember that it was possible to order a larger outfit with nickel-plated parts between 1930 and 1941, which would have contained specially finished but current parts.

French ones, of course, aren't stamped in inches. The three bosses are stamped 6 millimetres, 12 millimetres, and 18 millimetres, including those supplied in the UK from 1985 to 1992.

Various bosses: nickel, two dark reds, two medium, and light red
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I have noticed a slight variation in the peening of the bosses. Nickel ones are relatively shallow (they don't protrude too much from the face of the part), and this is reduced almost to a flush boss during the dark red/green period. Medium red ones vary, but by the end of the medium red/period and all subsequent ones the peening is large and quite proud of the surface. Can we read anything into this? Not sure...

Variations and oddities

It's possible to find the odd eccentric without a stamping. Although the parts of the eccentric are 'handed' (because of the layout of the three holes), the two outer faces are identical except that one is stamped and one isn't. It would be easy to transpose these outer faces, leaving the stamping hidden inside the part. In fact, since we find unstamped eccentrics very rarely, Meccano must have been careful to assemble these parts with one stamped face and one unstamped, facing the correct way. It's a little surprising that they didn't simply stamp all the outer faces, making them identical, and making assembly simpler. It's possible that this was done in the French factory, as the metric stampings can often be found on the 'boss' side rather than the 'peened' side.

Boxed and paper wrapped examples of Single Eccentrics, part 130a
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Dealer spare parts boxes

To the right are a pair of dealer packets for part 130a, the single eccentric. The top box has a part number and so dates from betwen 1954 and 1957 (after 1958 the label would be light green). The lower part is earlier, probably around 1950 judging from the sharp-cornered diamond.


Light red/green eccentrics in dealer packs
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To the left is a picture of two later spare parts boxes, dating from the light red/green period. The parts in these boxes are light red, indicated by the light green label.

Individual part numbers

Part numbers for the parts on this page are as follows:    Unique part numbers
For identification, each variation has been given a suffix to the main Meccano part number. These suffixes consist of a two-character code for the colour, and if there are many variations, a further number and sometimes letter code to identify each variation. See the bottom of the 'Parts' page for further details.

You don't need to worry what the codes are, just click on any one for a photograph.

The button above turns on and off the display of DMS numbers (where they are known). The DMS (Development of the Meccano System, Hauton and Hindemarsh) published in 1972 and added to in 75 and 82, suggested part numbers for every variation of every Meccano part. These numbers aren't perfect, but they are recognised and also referenced in the EMP (Encyclopedia of Meccano Parts, Don Blakeborough).

More about bosses More about stampings More about paint colours
Descriptionfrom130130a170
Nickel plated, single tapped21.ni  
Nickel plated, double tapped28?.ni1 .ni
Dark red and dark green30.dr .dr
Blue pre-war33.nb .nb
Medium red (pre-war)34.mr1 .mr1
Medium red (post-war)45.mr.mr 
Light red58.lr.lr 
Black64.bk.bk 
Blue70.bl.bl 
Dark blue78.db.db 
French blue85.fb.fb 
ALLALLALL
Note: I'm guessing here for the date of the double-tapped nickel eccentrics, and for the nonexistence of the single-tapped single eccentric.  I will no doubt be corrected in short order.  Also, I'm pretty certain most examples in L outfits were medium red, but I might be wrong.  The blue example of the triple eccentric (part 130.nb above) is from a 1933 outfit 3a, which we might have expected to have the lighter red/green colours.


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Further information

Total number of messages on this page: 21.  This is page 2 of 4.   Previous  Next

NoirProfond      (at 3:50pm, Tue 12th Apr, 11)

...also, I have added a picture to my user gallery to illustrate this point.

NoirProfond      (at 3:38pm, Tue 12th Apr, 11)

Chris R
Following your recent query I've dug out a few US tin-plated eccentrics (from sets 40A and 50 of 1929/30ish vintage) and they are all stamped exactly as you describe.
It is not unheard of to find the tin still bright and shiny and in my limited experience, the eccentric is one of those parts that does on occasion buck the trend.
So, I'm of the view yours are most probably US Meccano production, rather than earlier UK produced items.
The final test you may wish to do is to examine the thickness of the metal and compare it to some UK ones: The US parts are stamped from notably thinner steal.
Hope this is of interest!

Thomas Lawry      (at 7:50pm, Sat 9th Apr, 11)

I guess I've answered my own question! What I should have asked was; how compatible was the Primus part with meccano, i.e. was it like the Architrave part(108) which found its way into many early meccano sets?
Perhaps it was the inspiration for the initial requests for the simular meccano parts.
Was Primus still in business in 1928 when the similar part# 170/130a was introduced?

Reply: Primus was dead and buried in 1926. I understand that the parts and manual as they are shown in 1923 are pretty much as they were in 1918, although I don't have earlier manuals to clarify that.

Thomas Lawry      (at 3:01pm, Sat 9th Apr, 11)

I've been reading the "new" 1923 Primus manual
(Thank you!, Charles), and was wondering if the
Primus Engineering part no.163 eccentric, predates
the meccano single eccentric? It looks very similar.

Chris R      (at 4:40pm, Mon 21st Mar, 11)

Interesting - thanks for the update. They are nickelled as far as I can tell; they are nice and shiny compared to the dull-grey tin of the US strips with which they came into my possession. I was guessing NJ production because most of this acquisition came from a US source and the rubber tyres say "Meccano Made in USA". Thanks for clearing up the lack of stamping on the US tinned strips, I didn't know that and was considering consigning them to the 'other brands' box! Possibly then these eccentrics were made in the UK specifically for US consumption? That might even explain the use of "Stroke" because of US language preference. I can send photographs if anyone is interested (and can explain how to post them here).

kbisset      (at 2:44pm, Mon 21st Mar, 11)

I would suspect that US production would be tin, not nickel, plated. I have a number of tin-plated eccentrics. If I'm not mistaken (they are all packed away still!), there was no stamping on US strips, or on the eccentrics. The Elizabeth, New Jersey factory opened in 1922.
Kendrick


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